Sen. Lindsey Graham reveals that former President Trump had a "dark side" that he used to "harness the magic" of it. Graham suggests Trump was able to succeed because of this, and tossed some shade at failed presidential candidates Mitt Romney and the late John McCain.

WATCH Sen. Lindsey Graham discuss it via Axios on HBO:



And as reported on Axios directly, they said:

Why it matters: The South Carolina Republican gyrates between support and criticism of the former president, even after Trump harshly criticized McCain — Graham's longtime friend — and helped spark the Capitol insurrection.
  • "What I'm tryin' to do is just harness the magic," Graham told Axios' Jonathan Swan. "To me, Donald Trump is sort of a cross between Jesse Helms, Ronald Reagan and P.T. Barnum."
  • "He could make the Republican Party something that nobody else I know can make it. He can make it bigger. He can make it stronger. He can make it more diverse. And he also could destroy it," Graham said.

Graham is confronted by the interviewer who mentioned how Trump still tells people he won, despite losing the 2020 election. Graham had an answer for that.

Sen. Graham is often criticized for not doing much other than talking a lot and getting himself on television with random one-liners.

He suggests he and Trump are still friends and Trump could make the Republican Party bigger and stronger, but he could also single-handedly destroy the party.